Star Wars Discussion [Warning Spoilers]
I want to start this thread to discuss new Star Wars (Last Jedi). Overall, I'm always greatful for more Star Wars. I believe its one of the best franchises and stories ever!
This movie was probably one of the worst Star Wars movies ever made (second to Phantom Menace, only because of Gungans and Jar). Feel free to argue against me, I would love to be persuaded differently.
Let me list my grievances:
- Space Leia, WTF was that. The actress is dead, and they had a moment to kill her off in the movie. But somehow the force awakens (no pun intended) inside her as she floats in space and flies back to the ship.
- The entire Fin/Rose story arc with the slicer. It was absolutely pointless. This is because they surprised "Deus ex Machinma" a new plan with a planet they just magically ended up beside. The slicer was a pointless character.
- Rose saving Fin from suicide-crashing into the giant First Order cannon. Was an awkward scene ending in a silly kiss. Then you think she is dead, but no she is really alive and Fin drags her body back across a salt flat infront of the enemy through the front door (at the time only way in and out).
- The entire premise of the last battle was silly, how they were trapped. But wait, there are tunnels that lead to the trenches.
- The astral projection of Luke was weak. I guess they need a way for him to get there in time. You know they did that in the original movies, it was called jumping to light speed. Not to mention, they could have had a scene where he raises his X-wing from the water (which they show in the shallow water in the movie). It feels like a lost moment.
- The "rich gambling world" (forgot the name) was strange. They used the time to push the "war is bad" and attempted shallow character development with Rose (yet another character). The Rose character was weak in my opinion, and they should have spent more time just with Fin doing his thing.
- The slicer, Benicio Del Toro, could have been interesting, but it seemed very strange how he was magically in the same prison cell. Then he comes off as a self-centered guy with a good heart, but turns them in at the end. Why even introduce us to that character?
- Captain Phasma, this was a huge let down. I thought she would have had more story time. They could have used that character, developed it more along with Fin. But no, they killed her off, very Boba Fet and the Sarlac pit-like.
- WTF is with Snope? They played this character up as a new emperor then kill him off like nothing. I'm very mixed about this scene as it felt like it should have been the climax of the movie.
- The purple hair lady was ridiculous. The entire story line to show that Poe Dameron is too hot headed and doesn't know what he is doing, was off, and in my opinion anti-star wars. They did a great job in the last movie introducing us to the character, only switching the story line on us towards the end.
- Princess Leia, stunning Poe...WTF...that all seemed off to me.
Things I liked:
- The cinematography was great. The spaceships and effects were topnotch.
- I loved all the scenes with the Rey and Luke.
- I loved the discussion between Rey and Kylo. I can overlook Kylo Ren's character flaws of being a whinny bitch. I thought the tension between the two characters was done well.
- While I didn't care for the astral projection of Luke, his death scene was great, and a great way to end that character cinematically.
- I loved the Yoda/Luke scene. I thought it was a great way to tie the story back in with episode 5/6.
- I liked the Rey/Kylo battle scene with Snope's guards. I would have thought the two jedi were more powerful, and the scene could have used more "force" usage, but overall it should have been the apex of the movie (maybe it was...)
In summary: I wish I could have heard the discussions going on in the writer's room when they were drafting this script. There are so many times when it feels like things were bolted on. Throwing extra characters into the mix was a bad decision in my opinion. The introduction of Rose, Slicer, the purple hair lady, all seemed pointless. I have read that this movie wasn't made for the old Star Wars fans (you know the old, white, geeky males), it wasn't suppose to be the next Empire Strikes Back, and was designed for the newer generation. I think more Star Wars the better, but that seems to be an excuse for poor story structure. I don't need another Empire Strikes Back-clone, and I don't care what the characters look like (its a fantasy universe, so why not be more inclusive, the more fans the merry), but if the story doesn't make sense, and you fill a 2.5 hour movie with filler scenes that drag on, dropping deus ex machina plot points all over the place, you break my heart.
Feel free to rage against me.